Shared to Dedicated

Crazzy · #1 (**permalink**) 11-23-09, 08:09

I have a basic question really. When do you know that it's time to move from a shared to dedicated server? For example, I have heard that if you reach half of your max traffic with shared package, you should go to dedicated.

mander · #2 (**permalink**) 11-23-09, 12:45

How much traffic are you using? Would you rather be alone on a server than deal with neighbors?

Honestly I really hate the idea that I would have to depend on someone else not somehow corrupting the server (bad scripts, security issues, hogging resources) if I do not have to. Thats just my take though.

carl owen · #3 (**permalink**) 11-23-09, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Crazzy

I have a basic question really. When do you know that it's time to move from a shared to dedicated server? For example, I have heard that if you reach half of your max traffic with shared package, you should go to dedicated.

Even if you use half the resources i.e. disk space and bandwidth allotted to your shared hosting package, it is not necessary to upgrade to a dedicated server. If your requirements are not fulfilled with a shared hosting package, it is better to choose a VPS and then a dedicated server.

A VPS acts like a small dedicated server and offers almost the same features of the dedicated server. Hence, you can consider a VPS and if your requirements are not fulfilled with a VPS, you can choose a dedicated server

DavidJ · #4 (**permalink**) 11-24-09, 02:57

How do you know when to move from shared to VPS and from VPS to dedicated? Does this all depend on the traffic the website is getting? Or are there anymore factors to consider?

carl owen · #5 (**permalink**) 11-24-09, 12:14

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

How do you know when to move from shared to VPS and from VPS to dedicated? Does this all depend on the traffic the website is getting? Or are there anymore factors to consider?

You should upgrade your hosting package or server if your requirements are not fulfilled with the current hosting package or server. If the traffic on your website increases, more resources will be used by your website. If you are on a shared hosting package and your website uses 70% to 80% resources of the hosting package, it is recommended that you choose a higher configuration hosting package or move to the VPS. The same is the case if you are on VPS. If more resources are required than what are assigned to the VPS, it is time to consider a dedicated server

The other factors you should consider are the applications you need on the server and the amount of resources required by the applications. If the application is not working properly due to some reason, it might be possible that the application requires more resources and you can upgrade your server so that it is possible to run the application.

Hope this helps..

MattBarthorp · #6 (**permalink**) 11-25-09, 04:14

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

How do you know when to move from shared to VPS and from VPS to dedicated? Does this all depend on the traffic the website is getting?

Ideally,the web hosting provider would inform you when you reach 70-80% of the allocated resources,its then you can either upgrade to a higher package or kill the processes that are consuming the resources.Usually,the first option is more suitable as many a times its the processes that are consuming the resources but there is an increase in the traffic to the website.

You can also get an idea of the available resources of the server from the control panel (Stats).

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

Or are there anymore factors to consider?

Huge amount of assigned resources are drained off when there is an attack onto the server such as DDOS.

DavidJ · #7 (**permalink**) 11-25-09, 09:35

Thanks Carl for the great explanation. You really are super. Thanx

I would like to make a clarification here, pardon me for my ignorance. You said:

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Originally Posted by carl owen

The other factors you should consider are the applications you need on the server and the amount of resources required by the applications.

I understand about the upgrading of the applications that I'm using. But about the resources, I thought the web hosting company handles the server. So you mean that I have a server of my own as well as another server in the web hosting company. I need some clarification with this.

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Huge amount of assigned resources are drained off when there is an attack onto the server such as DDOS.

What can you recommend, besides anti-virus programs, to prevent DDOS attack?

By the way, thanks for answering my inquiries.

carl owen · #8 (**permalink**) 11-25-09, 12:05

Thank you for your appreciation David

With respect to your questions, I have answered them below:

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

I understand about the upgrading of the applications that I'm using. But about the resources, I thought the web hosting company handles the server. So you mean that I have a server of my own as well as another server in the web hosting company. I need some clarification with this.

Yes, if you consider a fully managed server, the server will be managed by the hosting provider. Customers do host websites and applications on the same server and hence it is not necessary to consider another server and host applications on it. It might be possible that the application you need to run requires more resources and if this is the case, the application would not run or won't perform well even if the installation and configuration is done correctly. If this happens, you need to upgrade your server and choose a server with higher configuration so that you can run the application and it functions properly.

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

What can you recommend, besides anti-virus programs, to prevent DDOS attack?

You can consider a proxy shield for protection against DDOS attacks.

Please feel free to post if you have more questions

DavidJ · #9 (**permalink**) 11-26-09, 05:34

Again, I appreciate your answers. Thanx

What do you recommend for starters like me? Should I immediately get a VPS or should I try shared first? I'm considering having a shared server first and when I get the hang of it, I will upgrade to VPS. Do you think that is a good idea?

Carlo · #10 (**permalink**) 11-26-09, 05:55

I would suggest you to go for the shared hosting as a starter

, i dont think you will face any problem with it till you need some more resources, once you need a higher package you can easily move to the VPS by paying the difference

carl owen · #11 (**permalink**) 11-26-09, 11:18

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

Again, I appreciate your answers. Thanx

You are most

With respect to your questions, I have answered them below:

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

What do you recommend for starters like me? Should I immediately get a VPS or should I try shared first?

Yes, you can consider a shared hosting package to start with. Once you get hold of the shared hosting package and your requirements increase in future, you can upgrade to a VPS

I would suggest you to consider a reliable hosting provider who offers 24x7 support. Also, make sure that you do not look for unlimited disk space or bandwidth as this is not possible.

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

I'm considering having a shared server first and when I get the hang of it, I will upgrade to VPS. Do you think that is a good idea?

Yes definitely

Hope this helps...

MattBarthorp · #12 (**permalink**) 11-26-09, 18:01

Yes the web host indeed handles the servers,but without your consent they would not upgrade the package on their own.You need not have a server of your own.

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What can you recommend, besides anti-virus programs, to prevent DDOS attack?

There is hardly that can be done.The immediate step if you feel that there is a DDOS attack onto your server,is to contact the web hosting provider and report the issue.They will take of the situation further.

DavidJ · #13 (**permalink**) 11-27-09, 03:29

Thank you guys for helping an ignorant fellow.

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Originally Posted by carl owen

You can consider a proxy shield for protection against DDOS attacks.

How would I do this? Will I set this up by myself? Or the hosting company will do this for me? I hope people won't mess with my website because I don't know how fix it and it would cost me money for repair.

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Originally Posted by carl owen

Also, make sure that you do not look for unlimited disk space or bandwidth as this is not possible.

I will keep this in mind. So you mean companies offering this kind of service are just scamming people? Oh, many people do anything in the name of money.

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Hope this helps...

It definitely helps and you are the best! You are even better than call support!

Zohann · #14 (**permalink**) 11-27-09, 06:10

I'm interested in one particular thing. How much would the proxy shield for protection against DDOS attacks or any other known technique cost? I have heard quite of stories on this matter.

Zohann · #15 (**permalink**) 11-27-09, 06:14

I know the price of usual shared packages at respectable companies, but how much more would the VPS be, and full dedicated server for that matter?

CustomServer · #16 (**permalink**) 11-27-09, 07:58

I have heard that DDOS attacks are very often these days. I'm really interested in the ways of defending your site against these attacks? How much the protection costs?

Jonathan · #17 (**permalink**) 11-27-09, 09:26

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Originally Posted by carl owen

You are most

With respect to your questions, I have answered them below:

Yes, you can consider a shared hosting package to start with. Once you get hold of the shared hosting package and your requirements increase in future, you can upgrade to a VPS

I would suggest you to consider a reliable hosting provider who offers 24x7 support. Also, make sure that you do not look for unlimited disk space or bandwidth as this is not possible.

Yes definitely

Hope this helps...

Unlimited disk and space is the biggest trick in the business. I had a few packages with such features and they always ended up warning me how I use too much space. This is really ridiculous!

carl owen · #18 (**permalink**) 11-27-09, 14:50

First of all, I would like to thank each one of you to join the conversation

With respect to the questions, I have answered them below :

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

How would I do this? Will I set this up by myself? Or the hosting company will do this for me? I hope people won't mess with my website because I don't know how fix it and it would cost me money for repair.

You need to ask the hosting provider to setup proxy shield for your dedicated server. It won't be possible for you to do this and hence you should contact the hosting provider and ask him to setup proxy shield. However, you should make sure that the charges of Proxy shield are high and hence you should consider it only if it is necessary.

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

So you mean companies offering this kind of service are just scamming people?

Well, it wouldn't be a good option to claim this on a public forum, however, as unlimited disk space and bandwidth is not possible, the answer is ... ;)

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Originally Posted by DavidJ

It definitely helps and you are the best! You are even better than call support!

Thank you for your appreciation David

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Originally Posted by Zohann

I'm interested in one particular thing. How much would the proxy shield for protection against DDOS attacks or any other known technique cost? I have heard quite of stories on this matter.

Well, the charges depend on the hosting provider you choose for the hosting services, however, as far as I know, the charges of proxy shield are quite high.

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Originally Posted by CustomServer

I have heard that DDOS attacks are very often these days. I'm really interested in the ways of defending your site against these attacks? How much the protection costs?

Again, the charges of proxy shield depends on the hosting provider you choose. It is better to confirm with your hosting provider about the charges of proxy shield as they will be able to help you out with the pricing.

Please feel free to post if you have any further questions. We shall be glad to assist you

Carlo · #19 (**permalink**) 11-28-09, 04:41

Hey Carl Owen..

you are just like a Cow Boy

, don't let anything go away from you
Great replies, it is the guys like you making such forums informative and learning.

carl owen · #20 (**permalink**) 11-28-09, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Carlo

Hey Carl Owen..

you are just like a Cow Boy

, don't let anything go away from you
Great replies, it is the guys like you making such forums informative and learning.

Thank you for your appreciation Carlo

We always try our best to make our forum informative for visitors and we always try to provide all the information if we are asked for it