I think the first I played around with long enough to care was slack and that was a pain stakingly hard process which I can still not fully wrap my mind around. Its the first one I should say that kept me there long enough to nick out the bells and whistles so I could make it do what I wanted, but then again its slack and things are not updated as soon as I would like either (now, years late). I'm sure its the reason I am not running it anymore too.
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